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June 2008 Newsletter
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        In This Issue:

              1. Telephone Calls from the Wilds
              2. New Books and Special Thanks to Lenders
              3. Police seeking information about military ammo
              4. Provenance for Your Gun
              5. Double Gun Classics Magazine
              6. Original Publications for sale
              7. Rants and Raves
              8. Published Reviews of our Work
              9. Miscellaneous

Telephone Calls from the Wilds:Calls from the Wilds Image

I'm going to use this space to say a few personal words today. Many of you have written over the last few weeks to ask or complain about the time your orders have taken to arrive. Obviously I have been behind in my work and from a business point of view, I have no excuse. But I do have some private reasons for my tardiness. May has been a tough month for me. I lost my brother and my aunt ten days apart and my son was married. I am sure you can appreciate the time it took to sort out all the details of these emotional events and I ran a bit slow with the business. My apologies. I am now caught up with orders and this week all else should be up to date. However, this newsletter will be a bit skimpy. I also want to thank all of you who offered notes of symapthy. Abby

New Books and Special thanks (see the bottom of this letter for the complete alpha list without accompanying text):

Reloaders and Ammunition collectors will appreciate the two books Kari Prager loaned us. The first is the Digest Of Cartridges For Small Arms Patented in US, England and France 1878 and the other is the U. S. Metallic Center Fire Rifle Cartridges 1860- 1960 By C. Hamilton. Doug Elliott has an seemingly endless supply of Ideal catalogs and this month we completed the Ideal No 30 from 1931, 32 and 33 (it was the same for three years). I think we are ahead of the game with only Nos. 33 and 34 of the prewar catalogs left to do. All the others are available at the website:

Machine guns have a certain visceral appeal to everyone. From the delicate 9mm rat-tat-tat to the HMGs that will jar the back teeth out of a clothing store dummy, full automatic firing guns came into their own during the 20th century. We already print quite a few MG catalogs and manuals but this month we were lucky that John Robinson loaned us several to copy. To wit I offer the Browning Heavy Machine Gun Manual 1917 Model, Chauchat Machine Rifle 1917, Marlin Aircraft Machine Gun 1917, Sterling Submachine Gun, 9mm Manual and Parts catalogue (UK), and the Vickers Machine Gun, .303 Manual 1944. Robert Randolph was kind enough to lend me his copy of an original Winchester Model 21 Catalog.

For those of you unfamiliar with the old (pre-1976) Abercrombie & Fitch Company from before they featured naked youths as an unctuous come-on, let me assure you that they were once a New York institution catering to the sports elite. They sold the finest guns and their clothing was made to last a lifetime and still be fashionable. I know whereof I speak because my husband’s uncle still has A&F shooting apparel he bought before the war (WWII, that is). I am slowly filling in all the gaps of the Abercrombie and Fitch catalogs and this month did a Abercrombie & Fitch 1917. It is a bit smaller than some of the earlier ones but the country was on a war footing at the time and although the gun section was full size they cut back on camping gear and the like. Perhaps some gear was not available. Von Lengerke & Detmold was another venerable New York City company that Abercrombie bought in 1929. This 1908 catalog is crammed with the best of the era.

Another retailer with a very long history was the H&D Folsom Company of New York. They may not have been as venerable as Abercrombie but they certainly sold a lot of guns and if you have a Barker or Syracuse or an 8 gauge, Giant French shotgun, here it is. They earned our respect. Folsom, HD 1898

Grant and Lang, the British gunmaker became Atkins, Grant and Lang during the 1950s and the Atkins, Grant & Lang (UK) c1961 is a pretty rare one. Boss and Co is still located in London as is has been for almost 200 years the Boss (UK) 1966 catalog is a keeper. Another old-time name is the Carl Gustaf which in 1973 was marketing the rifles under FFV Sports- Carl Gustaf c1973 (Swedish) Gun Catalog. John Rigby & Co, since 1997 based in California, is another old British gunmaker. This Rigby Guns & Rifles (UK) c1956 catalog was from its’ Olde English days.

Early in the 20th Century it was fashionable to sell guns with a history of romantic adventure. The Romance of a Colt Catalogue 1919 was no exception. Meanwhile, for those of us born after WWII, we grew up with Hubley cap guns. Hubley knew that the heyday of comic books was upon them and they churned out several comics a year to boost their sales. Here are two combined as one Hubley Two color booklets 1958 Hubley Cap Guns & Hubley Toys.

The Newton Rifle had many misadventures during its’ short life. One of its’ incarnations was as the Meeker Rifle Company which, if memory serves, grew from a dispute and parts spirited away under cover of darkness. It is interesting to note that the catalog features a photo of hunters with their guns. None of the guns appears to be a Newton or a Meeker. Meeker Rifle (Newton offshoot) c1924.

British gunmaker Grant & Land made a booklet discussing One Hundred Thirty Years of the Shot Gun- 1952 as an accompaniment to an exhibit they ran that year. The Pieper Automatic Pistol models A, B, C were produced between 1909 and the early thirties. I think this manual was from about 1913. The Star Pistols Models S and Si Manual- 1941 will be usefull to anyone with a Star of that vintage.

Our 1946 Mossberg Parts catalog has always been popular so the Mossberg Component Parts Catalog 1958 version should follow suit. O’Brein model guns were quite popular in the early 50’s. This O'Brein Guncraft c1952 catalog even features Tommy Guns!

There are a surprising number of Ross Rifle collectors all over the world so it is with some pleasure I offer two new Ross advertisements. First is a Ross 1908 Rifle and Eley Cartridge Catalog and the other a Ross 1913 Trifold Catalog (color)

By the way, our indexes are not alphabetized and can be difficult to search. Until I figure out how to alphabetize them, hit the Control key (on the lower left) and the letter "F" on your keyboard. this will give you a search box on the bottom of the screen. Start to type in the name of what you want to find on that page and it should be highlighted on the screen (this works with most browsers). :-) Abby

Major Eastern U.S. police department has a problem- followup:

We were asked by a police department to see if anyone could come up with a book about military ammunition so the police would know what to do with it when they came across it (they didn't want 4000 rounds of old, unstable high explosive ammo stored in the evidence room.

Ron replied to early emails: "Abby, I want to thank everybody for their help. I have found some information out. I just want to let everyone know that we do have a bomb disposal unit that we do use. But ammunition comes to us first along with the firearm, and its our responsibility to identify  it. I have seen ammunition dated back over a hundred years from around the world. You can't believe what people have passed on from one generation to another. We do have a library in our unit but I find myself spending many hours researching. I do like the one website you sent me about cartwin professional edition. It's alot of money for the software I hope the city will approve my request. Thanks again. Ron"

This is what we learned:    

Foreign Ammunition. The organization in the U.S. with the responsibility for foreign ammunition identification is the Army National Ground Intelligence Center located in Charlottesville, VA. If a police agency has need to identify foreign ammunition (from pistols to cannons), he should feel free to contact us. They can send their request to my email: I will staff the request to the appropriate analyst. Bob Yobs

Hi Abby,
Cartridges of the World 11th Edition by Frank C. Barnes might have some value to this policeman. It doesn't have a chapter on colors & I didn't see anything just flipping through it briefly but it has chapters on military rifle cartridges & sporting cartridges from several different countries. I also ran across an interesting old book on cartridges by Philip Jay Medicus called Catalog No. 3 and Ammunition Reference Digest. It is full of old obsolete paper cartridges, obsolete rim fire, pin fire & all kinds of neat old stuff. It looks pretty old but has no copyright so I am not sure. If you are interested in looking at it for reprint let me know & I will loan it to you. Tony Griseta

Hi Abby,
You had a blurb in your May issue about a cop who needs help identifying military ammunition. Please tell him to contact his departments bomb squad, or better yet, contact the nearest military Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) detachment. I know the EOD detachments will have the information he is looking for, though it may take time to find it. Another resource would be Armory at Quantico, VA. I took a tour of their facility a few months ago and they are pretty squared away. Ted Carlson

Jeff Weirback sent us a copy of Identifiction Guide, Military Small Calibre Ammunition (Up to 15mm) For Forensic and Law Enforcement Use, 1989 Edition. Rhino Publishing Company.

Speaking of bullets:

Police Cut Target Practice as Cost of Bullets Soars  NPR - Mon Jun 2, 6:00 AM ET

The price of bullets has shot up due to big demand from two wars and soaring prices for the bullets' main ingredients: lead and copper. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports that one police department in Virginia is cutting back on target practice, as the cost of popular training rounds has gone up 73 percent since 2005.

Ever wonder who first purchased your gun or rifle or wished you had a certificate of origin? It could increase the value of your gun!

Charles Lindbergh, or Lon Chaney or some other celebrity may have been the original buyer. Perhaps the provenance would increase the value of your favorite fowling piece or rifle. Well, now you have a chance to find out for free if the gun was sold by VonLengerke & Detmold or Abercrombie & Fitch, two of the largest and most prestigious gun houses of the 20th century.

If you own a gun by one of these makers write down the serial number and compare it to the serial numbers at the G&H website:

A&F, Baker, Bayard, Boss, Britte, Browning, BSA, Cashmore, Churchill, Crescent, Defourney, Dumoulin, Folsom, Fox, Francotte, Fred Adolph, GE Lewis, Gibbs, Greener, Greifelt, Griffin & Howe, Harpoon Guns, Henry Atkin, Hoffman Arms, Holland & Holland, Hollenbeck, Hollis, Bentley & Playfair, Ithaca, Iver Johnson, Jaeger, Jeffery, Kimball 20th Century, Krieghoff, Lancaster, Lang, LC Smith, Lefever, Leonard, Liege, Luck, Mahillon, Mannlicher-Schoenauer, Marlin, Martini, Mauser, Meffert, Merkel, Nimrod, Ogden Smith & Hussey, Owen Parker, Purdey, Remington, Remo Gehr, Rheinmetall, Rigby, Sauer, Savage, Schmidt & Haberman, Sedgley, Seymour Griffin, Simson, Springer, Springfield, Stephen Grant, Stoeger, Syracuse, Thieme & Schlegelmilch, Thompson, Tolley, Venus Waffen Werk, W&C Scott, Walther, Webley & Scott, Westley Richards, Winchester, Woodward.

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(scroll down to see all the makes when you get there)

Double Gun Classics Magazine

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If you have yet to take a look at DGC, please do so now. This fine magazine is filled with interesting articles, hints, reviews and visits to some of the most fascinating places around.

You can look before you buy because many issues are available in "trial size" pdf downloads from my website.

Just follow this link to take a gander: Check them out!

 

 

 

Original Publications for sale:

Because of events this month I did not get to the offering of original catalogs. Pardon me, but I will try to do better in June, although to be honest I probably won't get to it until fall because the garden is just starting and it is late in the season for me. Anyway, if you are interested in the hundreds of originals I have in boxes, please sign up for the newsletter announcing the sales. To register for the special newsletter, send an email to the following address and put the word REGISTER in the subject line: eightbore@comcast.net. And many thanks to all of you who signed up already! IF YOU HAVE ALREADY REGISTERED THERE IS NO NEED TO DO SO AGAIN.

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This month's winner is: Last year I ordered the book from you and it was good. This year I want the other one but I am not home so I can't tell you wich one it was that I need so please send it right away because I am buying a Marlin and need it when I get home. Here is my credit card: 8021... For the rest of this story, go to: RAVES and RANTS

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Reviews of our work: During the last few years many wonderful editors, among them Rudi Prusok, Holt Bodinson, Mike Carrick, Vic Venters, Ross Seyfreid, Paul Milligan and Jas Van Driel, have taken the time and opportunity to write about my project. The latest comments may be read in Gun Digest 2008 by John Campbell and in the NRA publication Shooting Illustrated for March 2008 by Rick Hacker. Thanks so much guys! By clicking on the link above you can go to the page where all the article may be read and I did fix the faulty links. :-) Abby -

Hint- If you are using the browser Firefox and have trouble seeing any images on this website, try hitting the refresh button. Meanwhile I will continue trying to figure out how to make my website more compatible with Firefox

Old Newsletters are available online:

If you missed a newsletter or want to look up an old one, please go to my website www.cornellpubs.com and look on the top of the first page for a link to old newsletters. You may view them online and in color with pictures. Also, on the subject of newsletters, I send out the newsletter in both HTML and plain text format. This means that if your browser is not set up to view pictures and colors, you automatically get the plain text version. I hope this explains why some of you don't see the pictures referred to in the letters- I know it has caused some confusion. Also, you should upgrade to the latest version of your browser for best results. To learn which version of you have, click the help button on the top line of this page and then look for the link that says "About [browser]".

Facts about some of my recent reprints:

I often use the The Greenhill Dictionary of Guns and Gunmakers by John Walter, Greenhill/Stackpole Books 2001 - ISBN 1-85367-392-7 to answer many of the questions I get each week about the origins of gunmakers. Like many all-encompassing works, some of the information may be inaccurate but over-all it contains a wealth of facts, dates and important history of great old companies.

INDEXES for Every Catalog...

Every catalog we offer has an index at the bottom of the page or in the case of new listings on the right. Listings on Ebay, Gunbroker and Auction Arms as well as our website have indexes (I appreciate purchases at the website where we don't have to pay listing fees or sales commissions... shipping is cheaper for you as well!)

Must Read:

If you haven't yet done so, please read the About Us link on the website. It explains a lot of things such as why graphics vary in books, why I do this in the first place, errors and mistakes, guarantees, loans and more. Also, if you see something in the Coming Soon page you want, let me know and I'll move it up the list for you.

Cheers,
Abby

Abercrombie & Fitch 1917 May 2008

Atkins, Grant & Lang (UK) c1961 May 2008

Boss (UK) 1966 May 2008

Browning Heavy Machine Gun Manual 1917 Model May 2008

Carl Gustaf c1973 (Swedish) Gun Catalog May 2008

Chauchat Machine Rifle 1917 May 2008

Romance of a Colt Catalogue 1919 May 2008

Folsom, HD 1898 May 2008

Hubley Two color booklets 1958 Hubley Cap Guns & Hubley Toys May 2008

Marlin Aircraft Machine Gun 1917 May 2008

Meeker Rifle (Newton offshoot) c1924 May 2008

Mossberg Component Parts Catalog 1958 May 2008

O'Brein Guncraft c1952 (Model Guns) May 2008

Rigby Guns & Rifles (UK) c1956 May 2008

Ross 1908 Rifle and Eley Cartridge Catalog (Canada) May 2008

Ross 1913 Trifold Catalog (color) Canada May 2008

Sterling Submachine Gun, 9mm Manual and Parts catalogue (UK) May 2008

Vickers Machine Gun, .303 Manual 1944 May 2008

Winchester Model 21 Catalog May 2008

Digest Of Cartridges For Small Arms Patented in US, England and France 1878 May 2008

Grant and Lang- One Hundred Thirty Years of the Shot Gun- 1952 May 2008

Ideal No 30- 1931 May 2008

Ideal No 30- 1932 May 2008

Ideal No 30- 1933 May 2008

Pieper Automatic Pistol c1913 May 2008

Star Pistols Models S and Si Manual- 1941 May 2008

U. S. Metallic Center Fire Rifle Cartridges 1860- 1960 By C. Hamilton May 2008

VonLengerke & Detmold 1908 Catalog May 2008

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