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I'm sorry- I hate it when this happens…

Last month’s newsletter was apparently too long. So long that it triggered instant revulsion by most email server's content police and they promptly dumped some 20,000 newsletters directly in spam folders leaving fewer than 1000 to be delivered. Either that or they didn’t like what I wrote!

So, what to do? With apologies to the people who got the last one- I took March’s newsletter and deleted all the reader letters, added a few letters from this month, updated a few things and left my editorial about the military gear used by police departments because I feel it is important. I also left the reader letters about the first installment of that editorial. In future I’ll try to be brief and I am sorry for the confusion.

Rob


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Interesting houses - one in each state

Mercer-Williams House

The Mercer-Williams House in Georgia

In 1969, James "Jim" Williams purchased a home originally built for General Hugh Weedon Mercer, great-grandfather of famed American songwriter Johnny Mercer (Goody Goody, Hooray for Hollywood, Jeepers Creepers etc.). At the time of the purchase, the house had been vacant for almost a decade since its former occupants, the Shriners organization, had used the building for their Alee Temple. Over the course of two years, Williams painstakingly restored the house. After the restoration, it became his personal residence and he ran his antiques restoration business out of the carriage house located behind the mansion.

In 1994, the house became one of Georgia's must-see tourist attractions after the publication of Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, which loosely chronicled the real-life trials of Williams, after he was accused of murdering Danny Hansford in the home's study. Williams was the only person in the state of Georgia ever to be tried four times for the same crime. He was found not guilty at the final trial.


I have no idea how he does this:

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John Tyler, President of The United States

(March 29, 1790 – January 18, 1862)

John TylerThe tenth President of the United States (1841–45), made the annexation of Texas a focal point of his presidential platform. He was married twice and fathered more children than any other president, fifteen in all. Two of his grandchildren are still living, Harrison Ruffin Tyler and Lyon Gardiner Tyler who maintains the family home, Sherwood Forest Plantation in Virginia. The Plantation had been previously owned by William Henry Harrison ninth President of the U.S. and no relation to Tyler.

Julia Gardiner, Tyler's second wife, was a descendant of Lion Gardiner (1599-1663) who settled Gardiner's Island between the North and South Forks of Long Island. Gardiner's Island was the first English settlement in what became New York. It has been privately owned by the Gardiner family since 1639 and is the only real estate in the United States still held by a royal grant from the English Crown. Lion Gardiner is buried in East Hampton, NY and his sarcophagus shows him in armour.


Rob Mouat

Militarization of Police Departments

Last month I discussed David Koresh and his band of Branch Davidian followers. The article focused on the use of military gear by police departments during a couple of notable incidents some years ago. Since that time more and more military gear has filtered into local police departments and that will be the focus of this month’s article. We had quite a few letters from readers after last month’s comments. Most people agreed with the premise of what I said but I will print the letters at the bottom of this column. Here is a link to first editorial if you would like to start there.

I don’t disagree that Koresh and his armed associated deserved to be arrested and tried for the crime of killing the ATF officers. What I object to is the fact that the second assault killed the very people the first effort was staged to protect.

The point I would like to make is highlighted by recent events here in Michigan. The Federal government has recalled some of the ex-military gear it distributed to police departments across the country and at least two of our local Sheriffs are not happy about the decision. They have taken steps to replace the gear with similar gear from other sources. (I maintain that the fact that these recalls were made on Obama’s watch is beside the point).

What gear you may ask? Well, the hardware includes thirteen tracked armored vehicles, eight grenade launchers and 45 bayonets. Law enforcement officials have stated that armored vehicles are vital for officers on the front line of domestic terrorist attacks. They point out that officers responding to the recent mass shooting in San Bernardino used tactical equipment and armored vehicles to stop the terrorist couple from causing further damage.

BayonetsSo, let’s talk about these three items, the tracked armored vehicles, the grenade launchers and the bayonets. First, bayonets are traditionally the last line of defense and are used when, after leaping out of a the trench and racing across no-mans-land you come face to face with the enemy and you are out of bullets. Then the bayonet is useful. I cannot imagine a charge by police against terrorist lines with fixed bayonets. Even in a parade I think fixed bayonets displayed by police are unnecessarily provocative.

Grenade launchers. Back in my day they were mostly fixed to a rifle and then fired with the butt of the rifle firmly planted on the ground. With luck the grenade landed somewhere “over there”- you hoped. Later came the large bore, stocked, tube thing that fired a breech loaded, single bullet-like projectile with somewhat better accuracy. Although the article I read didn’t specify which grenade launcher the police had, I assume it was something like the U.S. Marine Corps 40mm M-32 six shot model which has a range of something over 1200 feet. My question is, how exactly would the police department plan to implement this device? How would they choose ammunition for it (HE, Air Burst, Metal Pellets, CS Gas etc.) and how much practice has the fellow or gal firing it had, as I’m sure those rounds are fun but expensive?

Tracked VehicleNow let’s deal with the tank, oh all right, armored vehicle. To me is it has tracks, as these do, it is a tank (I was a flyer so perhaps the nuances of land vehicles escape me). Given the top speed of these vehicles I doubt it would be much use to run down the perp in his get-away Ford Mustang so let us assume he is barricaded in a building somewhere. We call for the tank and it duly grinds its way up the street to stand petulantly in front of the building we suspect the perp is hiding in. Now what? The operator could open fire with the grenade launcher by poking it out of one of the tanks small orifices or he could just ram into the building, hmmm. “Captain, should I fix bayonets?”

My feeling is that police departments should not equip themselves with military gear. I think it makes them behave in a less of a “serve and protect” mindset and in more of an adversarial manner and while rare incidents occur like the two guys with the machine guns in California a few years ago most times the police use tanks are like the one here in our town a couple of years ago. It started when some old drunk barricaded himself in his house armed with a shotgun and refused to come out while threatening to shoot himself. The cops outside sent for the tank.

The guy did eventually surrender and at first glance one might think it possible the guy sobered up, looked at his Mossberg pump and then at the tank and then at the Mossberg again then decided to quit, but that is not the whole story. Before it all ended the police drove the tank into the guy's front porch and tore it off the building, then threatened to crush the entire house. The guy was by then apoplectic with rage, but also presumably thinking of the cost of replacing the house, he gave up. It seems to me this was more of a case of brinksmanship than thoughtful negotiation and if the fellow had been suicidal smashing his porch might have been the trigger.

Also, what was the plan if he didn’t surrender, crush the house with him in it? How did they plan to deploy the tank later on in the stand off should it have continued and how much experience did the driver have? My opinion? Flack vests are good for police, black ninja outfits and camo clothing are not good. AR-15/M-16 semi auto rifles are good in the right circumstances, grenade launchers, bayonets and full auto weapons are not good and neither are tanks. Our local sheriffs though are miffed and they are searching for a new tanks to buy. That’ll show 'em! My question, show whom, why and to what end?

Rob Mouat

March, 2016

Reference articles:

Detroit News 9/17/2014

Detroit News 12/23/2015

Detroit News 2/11/2016

Response Letters From Readers-

These reader comments were in response to the February article, not necessarily to the above editorial:


Nice job, Rob ! You have explained the essence of a very important issue. Al Hopfmann


Rob, Thanks for the evenhanded story on Waco. Am looking forward to your next story. There is so much hype from both sides of the great gun divide you are refreshing. BTW have been a Life Member of the NRA since May 1953. Our NRA ain’t what it used to be. Dan Hess


Rob, I agree with you. Ever since the "Patriot Act" and the birth of "Homeland Security" I read between the lines and saw " Gestapo". Perry Hecker


Rob, In the past there was a respect for "the Law" and when a police officer came knocking the offender generally gave up. The may carry a knife of a .38 special. They knew they were out manned and out gunned and if they were smart surrendered. Now the criminals have firepower and ammunition that surpasses that of a round nosed round fired from a short barreled .38 S&W that most law enforcement used to carry. They also have resorted to tactics that are much more violent and deadly. In each of the cases you mentioned, the criminal, and they were all criminals, had weapons that were much more deadly and advanced than any service revolver, and each expressed their willingness to use them. So as the criminals and thugs have advanced their weapons and tactics, law enforcement has been forced to do the same.

I cringe at the fact that some people think that if the police would just go back to carrying only batons and walk a beat sans bullet proof vests, that the crime rate would just decline on it's own. Or, that well if the police had just let the Boston bombers go, instead of chasing them, they would have just went away and all our problems are solved.

In most of the cases you mentioned the criminal was contacted by authorities far in advance to their final demise. They knew they were criminals. They knew they were wanted. They knew what could happen if they resisted requests to surrender. They chose not to. Don't blame law enforcement for trying to stay ahead of the criminals. When the day comes that you are the one that needs them to come riding in I bet you would want them to do everything they could to protect you, not walk away and say sorry but we aren't equipped to help you and someone might get hurt if we try, so you're on your own. We'll wait until the criminal turns himself in. We don't want to offend anyone. Jack Clark


Rob, Your comments on the use of “disproportional force” in police situations were very thought provoking. I was raised to believe that you do not argue with a man (or woman) who carries a badge (and a gun). He/she, right or wrong, is “We the People” and should be respected as such.

The “good guys” require either a “visible crime in progress” or a warrant or a “self-defense” situation before “force” can be used. Having led Infantrymen in combat, before I would lead your son in a “charge” on the “bad guys”, I would, without hesitation, call artillery on the target. This was without concern for the “disproportionate” use of force or the unknown collateral points of the situation. My job was to protect your son first, and, if my actions killed the “bad guy” or deterred the next conflict, that was a bonus.

Police should have control of reasonable “force” and if it scares people, I put my faith in “We the People” who control and direct that “force” to allay those fears. Is there any doubt in your mind that in each cited situation the “bad guys” were subject to reasonable warrants? And, in Boston, the searches were not “unreasonable” (see Forth Amendment) and did result in the capture of the “bad guy”.

I never really understood the totality of the events that you cited but I do know about guns and tanks and tank recovery vehicles. I know that there must have been warrants and people in charge and warnings and the opportunity to end each conflict without bloodshed. These were rejected even in the face of overwhelming force. Does anyone think that a force with tanks and automatic weapons would choose tear gas grenades to kill people?

The options as I see them were:

1. Be sure that the warrant was served or that a crime or “self-defense” situation was in effect.

2. Continue to wait while letting the “bad guy” group know that “resisting arrest” is a crime.

3. Take some “non-lethal” action to encourage surrender (such as tear gas).

Mistakes will be made. The responsibility for any failure will rest with the “Officer in Charge” and should be reviewed openly for reasonableness after the event. The term “Protect and Serve” that you quoted was, in my youth, called “Law and Order”. I believe in protecting the representatives of the law first. They are you and me. They are the “good guys”. Those who do not submit to the tenants of the law are “outlaws” and should be treated as such. Lethal force should not be the first option, but it should be an option. Best regards. Dan Donaghy

PS. The 4th Amendment that says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " My point was that without a warrant, reasonable searches are permitted, e.g. signs of distress, a reasonable manhunt, traffic stop or things like that, which, after the fact are subject to the test for reasonability and if any evidence of a crime is found, determination whether or not it is admissible in a court. Dan

Dan, Thanks for writing. That was just part one of two and I will try to make a point in the second. As far as this one goes, I agree with you up to a point. The thing is we have to remember that the whole operation originally was organized to save a lot of children from alleged abuse. The second assault killed many of the same children and that is wrong even if we wanted to get Koresh for killing the ATF agents. I believe the problem was caused by police using mil grade equipment and mil assault tactics to quell a civilian situation and the mil grade tear gas shells were probably too powerful and set fire to the compound. Lots of blame to go around starting with Janet Reno but read next month for the rest of it and please comment. Rob


Dear Rob, I had written a long email on this topic but decided it was going to be too long and probably not germane. Anyway, I think this video is right on the mark. I will be interested to read what next article(s) will hold, Bob Poulsen

CartoonBob, I’ll send you the second part of the article (attached). Thanks for your note. Rob

Rob, Seems to cover the ground even without tracks or a rocket launcher (cartoon-Rob). The populace, particularly men, have become a herd of frightened bunnies. What are we so afraid of? Anyway, I think you have said something that needs to be said to your particular audience in a very diplomatic way. Bob


Dear Rob, Looking back, it is of no doubt that these were not your typical folks in the neighborhood, but in America we are a pretty tolerant lot and the Constitution protects the not typical, thank God and some intelligent founders for that. It’s also pretty clear to me that if David Koresh was the issue, it would have been pretty easy to apprehend him while unarmed, away from the compound. As a retired Army Military Police Lieutenant Colonel with earlier service as an Armor officer, I have a pretty good understanding of and some experience with law enforcement operations, special response team operations and armored vehicle tactical operations. I also have the greatest respect for federal law enforcement officers and entities that I’ve worked with over the years. But I have to say Waco can best be described as a “goat rope”. The initial plan was overkill, apparently some attempt for positive publicity gone badly wrong. Once someone sees a peer wounded or killed the human instinct is to rescue them and emotions ran high with undisciplined automatic fire from the initial party. They were eventually replaced and a decision was made to force the issue with armored vehicles leading to the fiery disaster, which some tried to explain away as caused by fatigue of the law enforcement officials. A goat rope. Since then, the statist cure has been to provide M-16s with bayonets, helicopters and mine-resistant wheeled armored vehicles to local and county departments who are becoming increasingly militarized. As are the gangs and terrorists. Sadly it is polarizing the relationships between the police and the citizens they are paid by and sworn to protect and serve. The up-to-the-second media compounds conflicts and encourages stereotypes, worsening the problem. The tactical genie is out of the bottle and I’m not sure how to put him back in but we must, for our continued liberty and the Republic. Regards, John B. Fowler, LTC, US Army(Ret’d)

PS: I can still see a use for the M113/577 armored personnel carriers (the tracked box) as they make a great moving barricade that provides overhead cover and the drop ramp rear door lets you run in quickly with someone on a stretcher, provide cover to get to them in the first place and clear crowds of rioters ala Baltimore or Ferguson when police cruisers cannot. But the black suited, automatic weaponed, helmeted, masked face, police ninjas on a routine warrant service are my concern. Read the new book, Rogue Lawyer by John Grisham, it has a scary tale of such a police raid gone horribly wrong and is a model for an attorney's use in the future. In Detroit a few years back a child was killed point blank with an MP5 during an attempted arrest, subject wasn't even there, it was the bad boys in black and the Chief at the time was even allowing the film crew from COPS along on "raids". Very very scary. Regards, John


Rob - I too share your concerns about the militarization of our law enforcement agencies from the local city departments to the state agencies and federal levels. Not too long ago there was an open house at the State Police post at the Mackinac Bridge north end. The intent was to familiarize the local populace with what was available to the troops to combat crime and how they aid in emergencies. The one item stat stood out to me was an armored vehicle that was capable of battering its way into any type urban structure. In all my years of having resided in Northern Michigan (moving up here in 1962) as a transplant working for the DNR in a law enforcement capacity I do not recall anytime that such a vehicle would have ever been used. Many of my friends were State Police troopers and police officers of local units of government. We dealt with game law violations, drunks, some drug users and domestic disputes. At the time of my retirement of 35 years service in 1992 these were the main issues many of us dealt with. Meth was probably out there and its manufacturing process but not until the last ten years has it become commonplace to find the one pot method leftovers in the woods and trails and parks.

My point being that I believe the military should keep their armored vehicles in their ranks and unless such vehicles might be turned into firefighting tools (bulldozers, pumpers etc.) use worn out vehicles or surplus vehicles for recycling in the scrap metal pile. I noticed more fully equipped "riot gear" and "assault gear" being issued to local police departments and in some cases fire departments and officers running around like SWAT teams with low thigh tie down side arms and of course the AR series type rifles. I have gone from respect to many police officers and departments to a feeling of paranoia and suspicion when they announce the acquisition of new equipment that looks like it should be on a military base of overseas helping our beleaguered troops.

I am of that older generation that had the benefit of free speech and the right to bear arms to now having to suffer attacks from pc speech and too many restrictions on what I may own or purchase.

The sign of the times is that I recently had a new young neighbor move in to a house down the road from me along with his intended and I stopped to introduce myself and meet him. During the course of our conversation he mentioned he had recently purchased one of those "black rifles" and also had purchased a handgun. He then launched into a diatribe of how he had a right to own more than one gun plus an assault rifle to boot. After his discourse of which I sat silently listening he was worked up about his rights. He also said "I don't feel guilty about all these weapons". Apparently he must have been from some bastion of liberal anti gun city or urban area. I quietly assured him I was a life member of NRA among other gun organizations and strongly believed in the 1st and 2nd amendments. He had heard I was some kind of law enforcement ogre even after I had informed him I had been retired for a number of years and had left the job behind. He has now begun to wave when I drive by, apparently somewhat relieved I was not "one of them".

Sorry to go on so long, but just wanted to know I am a very big fan and customer of you and your wife. You two are performing a tremendous service for those who consider themselves collectors or users of one sort or another. Thanks again for being! Sincerely; Wayne Ruxton


Arms Heritage Magazine

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Butt Figures

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The Shot Tower

Dotting the landscape in several countries are tall iconic structures, some still in operation, others relegated to the status of monuments to a bygone era. They are shot towers, but how many of us know the history of shot manufacture and the developer of a system still in practice?

An English plumber named William Watts was also a keen observer of nature. In 1782 he realized that falling drops of rain were, in fact, spheres of water. Whether he was aware of the science behind his observation we’ll never know (once they’ve fallen far enough, surface tension pulls them into the shape with the least surface,--a sphere). He wondered whether the same thing would happen to molten lead . The surface tension of lead is a lot higher than that of water so it does form perfect spheres as it falls through the air.

Watts TowerWatts went back to his brick row house in Bristol and began adding height to his house—it was already three stories high. He doubled that and added a little castle-like trim on top to perhaps please his neighbors. After knocking holes through each of the floors he placed a tank of water at the bottom.. At the top he poured molten lead into a sieve. The lead formed perfect spheres as the droplets fell into the water.

Prior to that, lead shot was made in gang molds, a time-consuming and imperfect process. Watts’s great invention was the height of the tower. Prior to that, some shot was made by pouring melted lead through a sieve into a water barrel. The shot produced by that method was irregular in shape and not particularly popular. (He is lucky he didn't live in Flint, MI! Rob)

Watts had gambled his house on the hope that his idea would work – and it did. Shortly, shot towers sprang up all over England and Europe. Shot became a major export from England, France and other European countries. Most of the Shot Moldshot used in the United States was imported until 1807. In that year Thomas Jefferson had the Congress pass the Embargo Act of 1807 which forbade all international trade to and from American ports. That was the end of importing shot from across the Atlantic.(pictured is a c1600 shot mold)

The story of the Shot Tower is told in the forthcoming June issue of Arms Heritage Magazine. If you are not already a subscriber, you can easily subscribe for a paltry sum of $19 by going to the website, Arms Heritage. You subscription provides access to all 31 back issues plus those forthcoming over the next year.

With the help of Cornell Publications we have produced “Annual Compendiums” of our first four years of publication. We have removed all commercial advertising and redundant material and the volumes are now pure articles on arms and related topics.

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Letters from Readers


(Dear Abby) Do you print The old 1970's rcbs rock chucker reloading press owners manual. I know that there are a lot of people looking for them on ebay and they very hard to find...Thanks, Jerry Grimaldi

Jerry, We have this one if it will help you- gives instructions how to reload and I assume it uses their press: RCBS 1970 Reloader's Guide. It is on Ebay too but we've only sold one in the last few years. Cheers, Abby


Abby- If you're willing, I'd like to buy just the pictured color page about the Whitworth Express rifles, unfolded. Let me know what you require by money request to gib222 you know h0tmail you know. Thanks, George

Hi George, We get lots of requests for "just the page of...". What I tell people is that it is more work to print one page, especially through Ebay, than the whole thing. I can, however sell you the catalog unbound (it is not folded). If that would work for you, please just put that note with your purchase. Best, Abby


(Dear Abby) I am a serious antique firearms collector and student and wish to locate and purchase a copy of the Gun Report Magazine Index of articles. The magazine is no longer published, but I do know that at one time they had published an index of the articles from their magazine that at least covered articles into the mid-1990s. Can you Help? Thank you for your time and attention. John Vagnetti

Readers, If you have a scanned copy of the Gun Report index you would like to share with John, please send it to us by email and we will forward it to him. I really don’t have the time to copy it for just one person so please don’t send me a hard copy. Thanks, Abby


(Dear Rob) Iver Johnson 16ga single barrel shotgun diasiably. I need information on how to remove extractor on a Iver Johnson 16 ga single barrel. Thomas E Counce Jr

Dear Mr. Counce, You don't mention a year or model IJ you have but I assume you mean the Iver Johnson Champion single barrel shotgun. I can suggest the 1926 Parts catalog which has nice line cutaway drawings of both the single and double gun with arrows identifying each part. Although neither catalog instructs you how to remove the parts if you are handy around guns I would expect the drawings should be sufficient for you to replace the extractor. Iver Johnson 1926 Revolvers and Guns Parts and Price List Catalog. Best wishes, Rob


hello Abby, stevens 1907 model 520-522 12 gauge shotgun. does item #1579,stevens cat#52, 160 pages have any really good info for this model? Thank-You. Ron A. Larson

Dear Ron, According to the Wikipedia article on the weapon it was introduced in 1909. It doesn't appear in the item #1579 catalog (1907), but there are three pages on the 520-522 in the 1909 No 52 catalog- STEVENS, J ARMS CO. - ALL CATALOGS. I don't know how to evaluate the pages regarding the quality of the information they shared with their customers but, as I say there are three pages about the guns. I hope this helps, Rob


(Dear Abby) I personally would like to thank you for what you are doing. I am about to get your Maher & Grosh Catalog Reprint. You are saving a piece of history for all of us to enjoy. Reprinting these old catalogs is a great thing to do. Thanks very much. All the best, Steve O'Neill


Hello Bill - We are sending you a new copy of the BSA Enfield SMLE - it is not a bother or trouble at all. I am glad you and your friend find our catalogs interesting. Replacing damaged mail is part of the cost of doing business - a certain percentage will be either lost in the mail or damaged in transit. It seems worse lately. Making any claim for such a small item would take months to resolve so your and my time is not worth it. Thanks for your kind words and business... Best regards, Abby

Abby, Thank you very much. Nothing raises my spirit more than the consideration and friendly nature of a stranger. I can remember when most people thought that was the way life should be lived. Maybe I'm just getting older, but it seems that fewer and fewer people follow that idea anymore. Please take care and have a good life. Bill Joy


Rants and Raves

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This month's winner is:

"hello i need help i so mad no one not even u will put info down thatr is need it by people who r not so smart on this subject can u help me i want the cheapest item tho don't like no stuff ok so here what i need i live in pa an need a bird caller that calls the birds that r in pa not a duck or a engel normal plane birds also i may get the booklet on it also witch one is better i was looking at the 1947 cuz that was the year he was born the person i am buying this for pleas text fast." hanno.nic (Ebay)

Dear hanno.nic, Uh??, could be, I guess. Abby

To see pages of Rants and Raves, and my replies, go to: RAVES and RANTS

Notes for New Readers (useful info repeated each month)

At the Cornellpubs website, you will find many gunmaker "master pages" listing all the catalog reprints of one brand. To the right of each "master page" are names of catalogs by merchants who carried that brand of firearms. For example, we reprint over 60 Remington factory gun catalogs but we also reprint over 160 gun catalogs from merchants that sold Remington firearms such as Sears or Abercrombie & Fitch or Spalding. Those are the listings on the right of the page.

Using the merchant links, you can identify a catalog from just about any year that displays the Remington line and by looking at the individual page indexes you can figure out what models were made in what year without spending a dime. Of course I would be happy to sell you those catalogs too! Most major gunmakers have a "master page" and we are adding more all the time.


* How to pay for things on the internet while using your credit card with some safety... You have to make certain the site accepting your credit card is secure. Normally the site URL begins with http: etc. but a secure site has a different beginning. It starts with https:. etc. The "S" means the site is using encryption software and it is pretty safe to send your card information to the company if you trust the company! By the way, do not send your credit card information in an email. Emails are NOT secure!

Many folks call me to give me an order over the telephone because they "don't like to use their credit cards on the internet". Well, every time you use your credit card at stores, banks, gas stations, restaurants or anywhere else, the transaction is recorded on the internet! Do you trust the company you are giving the info to?


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