(Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.)
World's Largest Gun Catalog Reprint Store
Over 1500 Vintage Gun Catalogs & Manuals from 1850 to 1980... and more each month
United States, Canada, Britain, France, Belgium, Germany and more...
Guns, Ammunition, Reloading, Telescopes, Sights, Archery (all Bear Catalogs), Fishing, Trapping, Sports...
December 2007 Newsletter, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!
If you are planning to give my books as a gift for the holidays, please order early. My daughter is coming for Christmas and will be upset if I don't leave the office now and then to take her shopping! :-) Abby
Trouble Viewing Newsletter:
Some people have a problem with the type
disappearing off the page. To fix this go to
VIEW on the top line TEXT SIZE and make
the text smaller.
For years I was happy to send out catalogs with a bill trusting the gun community was honest and would pay the bills. I must also confess was pretty casual about following up on billing until this fall when I had a close look at past due accounts. It seems I managed to overlook the fact that I was short a little over $2000 in receipts. Don't worry, for those of you who owe me money, I'm not going to chase after you with a burp gun, but because we purposely don't make much profit from our efforts the shortage came as a bit of a shock. Well, anyway, the upshot of all this is that I bit the bullet and got what was necessary to accept credit cards over the phone. So, from now on, no more billing. You can still send me a check if you like and for those old friends who like to pay with a bill, I'll still take care of you but for everyone else I'm going to boot you into the 20th century and take your credit card number. :-) Abby
Missing Money for a Cannon Report:
Here are other cannon websites sent in by a different readers with distinctly different opinions about the "Missing Cannons" (see last month's newsletter- available on our website):
While on the subject, Does anyone have Abels catalogs of 61 or 62 with the Howard K Brown cannon collection? Does anyone know anything about it? :-) Abby
New Books and Special thanks (see the bottom of this letter for the complete list without accompanying text):
Mike Blake in the UK sent us a nice addition to the 1905 Kynoch Axtite book we offer. The part he sent is the programme guide to the tests. Paul Milligan sent us a copy of the 1884 Russell Cutlery Catalog for knife collectors. It has clear and very nice drawings of their whole line. Rudi Prusok was responsible for the Lyman 1919
The big news this month comes courtesy of Monsieur Jean Marcel Jeannot from France who loaned us scans of some wonderful European catalogs. Msr. Jeannot is a writer and we really appreciate the time and support he gave us from so far away. The group includes a Darne 1923, a David McKay Brown that I call a 1980 but may be newer, a really beautiful FH Herstal Browning Catalog c1914 and a Fusil Aiglon Guichard 1964. But that's not all. Also on the CD was a Hartmann & Weiss from the 1980s, and even a Jules Thonon c1912 and a Lebeau Courally c1910. Jean Marcel sent us the Braekers 1926 in last month's list and a Cogswell and Harrison and and Ollendorf catalog but they are from the 90s and will have to wait a few years to get added to the list (although if you want one, let me know and I'll arrange it).
I bought an Akah Air Guns 1958 because we get so many requests for air guns. The Beretta 9mm Short Manual was another purchase because people have asked for it. BSA are always popular and I had never seen a BSA .22 SLR so when that came up I bought it along with a Daisy Equipment and Air Guns Catalog from 1980. Churchill Guns have been around for over a century making fine guns but we had only one catalog from them, a Churchill 1922 so when a Churchill Guns 1958-59 became available I snapped it up. Another interesting purchase was the Hijos de Victor Aramberri Y Cia 1952 a Spanish gunmaker. I don't know too much about them so if anyone can help here I welcome the education.
I am trying to complete the collections of common American gunmakers and found two Iver Johnsons, a 1914 and a 1929 to add to the already good representation. German catalogs are important to many collectors and I found a Mahrholdt 1936-37 to go with my Mahrholdt 1939. Another perennial favorite is the Parker and I added a 1902 Parker to the mix- good to have. I am still getting Parker Reproduction questions I cannot answer so...??? Daly collectors are always clamoring for Schoverling, Daly and Gales catalogs and they sure are fun to read. I was lucky to find a SD&G c1915 with 280 pages! Not to be outdone in the big category, I also finished a 1934 Stoeger, all 305 pages- it took forever. I have all the Stoegers up through about 1970 and will add them as time permits. Finally I bought a small French catalog by Verney-Carron from 1927 selling all sorts of small pistols. Very interesting.
I loved comics as a child and recently found two nifty ones to share with you. The first is Six Gun Heroes about Wild Bill, Wyatt Earp, Annie Oakley (my heroine!), Rocky Lane and Lash LaRue (what a name- they would put him in the back room today). And the other is The Gun That Won The West about the Winchester. Both were from 1955.
So many of you have sent me flattering and encouraging notes that the occasional email from a cruel or malicious individual doesn't hurt as badly as it might. I call these RAVES and RANTS and have decided to make them available for you to read on the website. My gandpa would have said the ranters are people with a burr under their saddle. Fortunately, they represent a tiny fraction of my customer base so please don't take them too seriously! Also......
Reviews of our work: Over the years quite a few kindly editors have seen fit to say gratifying words about us in print. This link shows some of their comments that have helped me bring you these old catalogs. I am so grateful for their help all I can say is a big, big THANK YOU! There is a link on the first page of the website too. :-) Abby
CHRISTMAS HELP PLEASE:
My apologies. The idea of cheering a wounded soldier by sending a card was a hoax email. Apparently authorities throw away all email not addressed to a specific individual. 12/23/07 :-( Abby
HELP PLEASE :
Dear Readers: Way back in December of 2004 I borrowed a Browning 1936 catalog from someone and copied it. In all the months since then nobody has noticed that pages 2&3 are missing until now when a sharp eyed reader picked out the error. Mea Culpa! Back then I wasn't recording who loaned me what so I have no record. Therefore, if I borrowed it from you or if you have one, may I borrow it back so I can replace the missing pages? :-) Abby
Dave Parker wrote: 1. What is the proper way to store the Winchester Parker Reproduction so that the main springs and the ejector springs are in their most relaxed position? Jack Skeuse advised to snap-cap the main hammer springs, then remove the forearm, then remove the bbls and store the gun as three separate components. Galazan advised to snap-cap the main hammer springs, then remove the forearm, then remove the bbls, then reinstall the forearm on the bbls and store the gun as two separate components. Galazan contends that reinstallation of the forearm on the removed bbls does not cock the ejector springs. 2 A few of Mcintosh's shotgun books, there is reference that the Winchester Repo is not just a copy of the Parker, but a clone, and that all parts for the Repo are interchangeable with the older guns. I'm not real sure, but after Remington took over the Parker line in 1934, wasn't the single selective trigger and the ejectors redesigned?? If so, which design is the Winchester Repo a clone of... the Original Parker, or the Remington Parker?
Sergeant John Short wrote: I am looking for a catalog with information on " L. Christophe, Bruxelles". I believe he was a retailer in the late 1800's or early 1900's, specifically on a double rifle. Please advise. Thanks! Readers? :-) Abby
Ed Buffaloe wrote: "I just today ordered an MAB catalog from you. Through my research I have learned that many MAB firearms were imported by the Winfield Arms Corporation of Los Angeles, often referred to by their initials WAC. I would be very interested to obtain a catalog from this company, should you ever come across one." Readers? :-) AbbyDaryl Hallquist wrote: "I was looking at your Baker catalogs and you have the wrong dates on three of the first four on your list. The two Baker pamphlets have to be after 1887 and before 1889. The New Baker gun came out in 1887 and they moved to Batavia in 1889. The catalog with the geese has been mislabeled for many years. It is a catalog from the 1920s. It has the Folsom made guns in it and Folsom bought the Baker Gun making business in 1919. Guns from 1915 were entirely different." Wow, was that a pain to redate all those webpages and book covers :-) Abby
Jack Myers wrote: "I recently bought a little .22rf single-shot boy's rifle marked TOBIN ARMS MFG. CO., WOODSTOCK, ONT. CANADA. In researching this company I learned they first opened shop in Connecticut, as manufacturers of quality shotguns. They were then purchased by Canadian investors who moved the business to Ontario. They continued to be known for the high quality shotguns.
Most gun dealers and online gun forum readers I've been in contact with know nothing of the rifles, although many were aware of the Tobin 1915 Catalog shotgun line. Finally, through a company similar to yours I learned of a collector in Canada who might shed some light on the Tobin rifle. He told me that in many decades of gun interest he had owned four of these little rifles. He mentioned they were once offered as a premium to Canadian youngsters for selling five subscriptions to The Rod and Gun In Canada. (Similar to our Hamilton rifles of the '20s and '30s.) He made note that although they should be thick as fleas, they have been VERY few and far between, even in Canada.
The collector mentioned that he was selling his last Tobin at auction that coming weekend. I got info on the auction company and phoned them. They sent me info on the gun. It had been purchased from Flayderman many years prior, was in excellent shape, and still had a tag on it indicating it had once belonged to the Winchester Arms Museum. Unfortunately they would not consider going through the hassle of trying to export it to a U.S. buyer. When I checked back after the auction, it had cost some Canadian buyer $750 to own that little gun which originally sold for around $5!
I need to find one of their catalogs or advertisements which includes these little single-shot rifles. I'd appreciate it if you'd mention to your reading audience that I need info on any Tobin-made .22rf RIFLES (US or Canadian) - not shotguns."
Followups to last month's questions:
Last month Joe Dykie was looking for information about his Moore gun.
Peter Mikalajunas wrote: "If Mr Dykie will post his information along with pictures of the gun that include all the proof marks, at http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php We will be able to help him. We usually get a couple of posts like that a week."
Mike Carrick wrote: "William Moore of London was a maker of good shotguns. Mr. Dykie seems to have a feeling that his is not a high-quality gun, and I think the name Wm. Moore was appropriated by Belgian firms. So, the first thing he must do is look under the barrels and on the water table for the classic Belgian proof marks—E. L. G. in an oval and the small tower. If he finds the Belgian proof marks, then he has one of the cheapies as shown in several of your catalogs. If he finds London proof marks, then he has a quality gun. The London mark is an intertwined GP under a crown. The firm of William Moore of London started in 1808 and produced guns until they were taken over by Cogswell & Harrison in 1908."
Jim Buchanan Wrote: "See, I do read your newsletters!! Joe Dykie’s shotgun was not manufactured in Belgium! If it has the wording “London Fine Twist” engraved on the barrels, then that is probably where it was made. William Moore & Co. was a London gunmaker from 1808 with premises in Old Bond Street and the Edgeware Road. In 1844 he joined with another and became “Moore and Grey”, so Joes gun predates 1844. See Boothroyds Directory of British gunmakers."
Rick Pointer wrote: "Check out these guys- muzzle load or not. Muzzle Loaders Association of Great Britain Helped when I had a friend looking for info on a W. Moore Co shotgun. They will want some pics and let him know what and where to look for markings to help identify. Hope this helps."
Mike Carrick wrote: "Below some info on W. Moore; After joining forces with Grey, they produced a number of large bore guns and are remembered for their wildfowling guns, especially punt guns. Unfortunately their cartridges are very rare and I do not have any. I have attached a document of history. I hope this helps."
WILLIAM MOORE, gunmaker, 118 Whitechapel, London, 1808; Colchester St, (possible workshops), 1818-52; 78 Edgware Rd, 1828-46; WILLIAM MOORE & WILLIAM GREY, gunmakers, s.a. 1847-53; WILLIAM MOORE & CO., 43 Old Bond St, 1854--'72; WILLIAM MOORE GREY & CO., s.a. 1873; WILLIAM MOORE & GREY, s.a.1874--'78; WILLIAM MOORE & GREY LTD, s.a. 1879-95; (LTD dropped 1889), 165 Piccadilly, 1896-1902; 8 Craven St, Strand, 1902-14, also at II The Arcade Aldershot, Surrey, e.1897-c.1905 (COGSWELL & HARRISON LTD, succeeded to the bus. 1908); 226 Strand, 1915-25, q.v. COGSWELL & HARRISON LTD (some record of MOORGREY guns from 4900 series onwards contained in those of COGSWELL & HARRISON), h.
William Moore and William Parker Grey, the founders of this firm, were originally employed by Joseph Manton - Moore as his stocker and Grey as his clerk and manager. They seem to have gone their separate ways initially. Moore described by Beaufoy as 'a very ingenious workman and an excellent shot', set up in his own name at 118 Whitechapel in 1808 and thence from 1818 to 1852 at Colehester St. When, in 1828, he moved to 78 Edgware Rd, where he was to remain on his own until 1846, the former premises were kept on as workshops or additional shop premises. In 1836 he was appointed Gunmaker-in-Ordinary to William IV. From 1847 to 1853 he teamed up with Grey as William Moore & William Gtey Gunmakers at the Edgware Rd address until the business moved in 1854 to 43 Old Bond St where it was to remain until 1872, but under the name of William Moore & Co. Grey, it seems, survived Moore and it is known that he was still living when the business was at those Bond St premises, since Frederick Beesley (aged 15) was apprenticed to him there, giving him a direct link back to the Joe Manton era. Henry Atkin, founder of the firm of that name, also went to Moore & Grey around 1866 for 10 years.
FH Grey, presumably the son of William, registered one or two patents in the late 1860s and early 1870S for such items as internal strikers for guns with external hammers (some feel a possible early move towards the modern hammerless gun) and, in conjunction with a Mr. Harris, another for underlever bolting on a gun action.
In 1873 the name was recorded as William Moore, Grey & Co., presumably to reflect the contribution of FH Grey, and the following year it was recorded as William Moore & Grey at No.43. The firm became a limited company in 1878. In 1896 the business apparently ceased to be a limited company and returned to its previous name as an unincorporated business. In that year it moved to new premises at I6S Piccadilly. These changes in name and corporate status may to some extent have been the result of careless recording in the directories.
In 1902 the business moved on to 8 Craven St in the Strand and in 1908 it was acquired by Cogswell & Harrison Ltd which was itself at No.223. When Cogswell's Strand premises were finally closed down in '928, it was soon after the death of one Robert Grey who had been working there. He may well have been a surviving family member taken on at the time of the acquisition. Cogswells at one stage marketed a model of gun under the name 'Moorgrey', clearly another relic of the original business.
Dino Anastasia (and quite a few others) was looking for information on the Hawes Gun Company.
John Hayslip wrote: Abby, I think Hawes was a name uses by one of the German companies (or Hammerli) there was a single action pistol of that name in the 50's or 60's.
Mike Carrick wrote: Abby, Hawes Firearms Company, Los Angeles, were only importers as far as I can find. I have seen a little .25 auto marked Courier by Hawes, but their popular import was a replica of the Colt Single Action Army. They imported these guns about 1951 to 1962, and most references I have found indicate the Colt copies were made by J.P. Sauer in Germany and are of good quality. After they went out of the import business, they continued selling parts for the guns under the name H.N.C. Company.
Dom Goffredo is seeking material or manuals on the Winchester- Parker reproductions. If anyone has some I would appreciate being able to share it with other collectors.
Old Newsletters are available online:
If you missed a newsletter or want to look up an old one, please go to my website www.cornellpubs.com and look on the top of the first page for a link to old newsletters. You may view them online and in color with pictures. Also, on the subject of newsletters, I send out the newsletter in both HTML and plain text format. This means that if your browser is not set up to view pictures and colors, you automatically get the plain text version. I hope this explains why some of you don't see the pictures referred to in the letters- I know it has caused some confusion.
Abercrombie & Fitch, Von Lengerke & Antoine, Von Lengerke and Detmold.
All these companies were related in some manner. I understand the VonLengerkes were brothers or cousins with the Detmold store in New York and Antoine in Chicago. Abercrombie eventually took over both VonLengerkes, Detmold in 1928 and Antoine a year later, however they seem to be related even before that. If anyone knows the rest of the story, I would be very grateful to learn it, I'll post what I learn with the listings of VonLengerke catalogs I sell and include it in the next newsletter and will give credit. Anyone?
Greg Reddick wrote: "A man named Conrad Sundeen of the Chicago area still owns the Von Lengerke and Detmold name. If I can locate him I will try and see what history he has."
Cross Indexes for the Website:
Many manufacturers are represented on my website by a number of catalogs covering different years. But that doesn't always tell the whole story. To help fill in information about guns made by those companies I recently made links to mass merchandisers selling the guns of these manufacturers. By using the links you may be able to find the guns in a catalog such as Abercrombie and Fitch or VonLengerke and Detmold or John Lovell from the year in question.
Facts about some of my recent reprints:
I often use the The Greenhill Dictionary of Guns and Gunmakers by John Walter, Greenhill/Stackpole Books 2001 - ISBN 1-85367-392-7 to answer many of the questions I get each week about the origins of gunmakers. Like many all-encompassing works, some of the information may be inaccurate but over-all it contains a wealth of facts, dates and important history of great old companies.
INDEXES for Every Catalog...
Every catalog we offer has an index at the bottom of the page or in the case of new listings on the right. Listings on Ebay, Gunbroker and Auction Arms as well as our website have indexes (I appreciate purchases at the website where we don't have to pay listing fees or sales commissions... shipping is cheaper for you as well!)
If you haven't yet done so, please read the About Us link on the website. It explains a lot of things such as why graphics vary in books, why I do this in the first place, errors and mistakes, guarantees, loans and more. Also, if you see something in the Coming Soon page you want, let me know and I'll move it up the list for you.
Akah Air Guns 1958 11/26/07
Beretta 9mm Short Manual 1978 11/26/07
BSA .22 SLR 1948 flyer 11/26/07
Charlin c1960 (French) 11/26/07
Churchill Guns 1958-59 11/26/07
Daisy Equipment 1980 11/26/07
Darne 1923 Catalog 11/26/07
David McKay Brown (Brit) c1980 11/26/07
FN Browning Herstal c1914 11/26/07
Fusil Aiglon Guichard 1964 11/26/07
Hartmann & Weiss (German) c1980 11/26/07
Hijos de Victor (Sp) 1952 11/26/07
Iver Johnson 1914 11/26/07
Iver Johnson 1929 11/26/07
Hijos de Victor (SP) 1952 11/26/07
Jules Thonon (French) c1912 11/26/07
Lebeau-Courally c1910 (French) 11/26/07
Lyman 1919 Sights Catalog 11/26/07
Mahrholdt (Austrian) Jagdjahr 1936-7 11/26/07
Parker Guns 1902 Catalog 11/26/07
Russell Cutlery Catalog 1884 11/26/07
Schoverling, Daly and Gales c1915 11/26/07
Sears Roebuck 1908 Guns & Sports 11/26/07
Six Gun Heros 1955 (comic) 11/26/07
Stoeger 1934 Catalog and Handbook 11/26/07
Verney-Carron (Fr.) 1927 Pistols Catalog 11/26/07
Winchester 1955 History Comic 11/26/07
(Please let me know if you have any problems with the website where I confess to an occasional bug.)
If you have received this mailing in error, or if you no longer wish to receive this newsletter from Cornell Publications, please send an e-mail with "remove" in the subject line to IncomingMailoop@oldguncatalogs.com. (Just hit reply on your browser then add "remove" to the subject line). Make sure you use the word "remove" and NOT unsubscribe or the program will resubscribe you!
I will personally add your name to the blacklist and you will be excluded from any future newsletters. If you would prefer to unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at:
Abby Cornell Mouat
P.O. Box 214
Brighton , MI 48116
810-225-3075 (9-5 Eastern Time Zone please)