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November 2008 Newsletter
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        In This Issue:

              1. Calls from the Wilds
              2. New Books and Special Thanks to Lenders
              3. Letters from Readers
              4. Provenance for Your Gun
              5. Serial Numbers by Year for Your Gun
              6. Double Gun Classics Magazine
              7. Original Publications for sale
              8. Rants and Raves
              9. Miscellaneous

Calls from the Wilds:Calls from the Wilds Image

*I Digress: A mother took her five-year-old son with her  to the bank on a busy lunchtime. They got behind a very big woman wearing a business suit complete with pager. As they waited patiently, the little boy said loudly, 'Gee, she's fat!' The mother bent down and whispered in the little boys ear to be quiet. A couple of minutes passed by and the little boy spread His hands as far as they would go and announced; 'I'll bet her butt is this wide!'

The fat woman turns around and glares at the little boy. The mother gave him a good telling off, and told him to be quiet. After a brief lull, the large woman reached the front of the line. Just then, her pager began to emit a ‘beep, beep, beep’ The little boy yells out, 'Run  for your life, she's backing up!!

*Download our latest flyer of old gun catalogs (requires Adobe Reader - free) Get Adobe Reader

*Cross Indexing on my website: It bears repeating that many gun makes have been cross-indexed on my website. By cross-index, I mean that for a lot of makes I list not only the catalogs issued by the manufacturer (eg. a Colt catalog made for the Colt company) but also, on the right, a list of independant merchant catalogs featuring guns made by the manufacturer. For example, let's say you want to buy a Winchester rifle and the seller says it was made in 1947. You check my website but cannot find a Winchester catalog for that year. Well, look on the right and you will see that I reprint a Stoeger catalog from 1947. Chances are you can find the information you need in that catalog.

Something else useful about the cross indexes, and free too, is that you can often use them to see what models were made in what years. The individual indexes I do for every catalog I reprint often have model information that can answer a lot of questions about year.

*When you read the Rants and Raves column below, please keep this in mind: I get several requests a week for specific images from my catalogs. Most start out like this; “I’ll give you a dollar for the picture of the Buxom four barrel shotgun in your 1887 Collage Catalog reprint. I don’t need the whole catalog and a dollar is a fair price for just one image…”

No it isn’t! Why? Well, because to email the dear reader just one image is time consuming and inconvenient! I either have to print the catalog or just that page, scan it and then manipulate the image so I can email it or I have to find the original image from among over half million files in over 4000 folders in my archive, convert it to a format I can email and then email. Then I have to invoice the fellow for a buck and collect the money. Frankly, it is too much trouble for a dollar… or even eleven bucks- the average cost of most catalogs.

I have had collectors of guns, knives, switchblades, folding boats, decoys, fishing gear, glass balls, tools, flasks, compasses, clothing, ammunition, empty boxes, air guns, and a myriad of other things, one fellow collects plumb bobs, request special help. I really enjoy doing the research for these curious customers and I try to do a good job, but when I am done, I do hope they buy the catalog(s) I identify for them and not ask for “just that page.” I try to answer all queries and it is a cost of doing business that I never hear back from most questioners. I don’t mind that, but I do think it is insulting when people want something that takes a great deal of effort for nothing. There, I’ve said it! Abby :-)

*Ebay has a new rule that affects a lot of people. The wizards at Ebay decided (at a time when they laid off a whole bunch of employees) that they will no longer allow sellers to advertise that they will accept money orders or checks in payment for purchases made on Ebay. Customers may still pay that way but we cannot advertise the fact. I think the idea is to force people to use Paypal, a service owned by Ebay. Now, to be perfectly honest, I would be much happier if you bought things from my website Cornellpubs.com because that save me sales commissions to Ebay!

By the way, last year Paypal softened it's previously hard line with respect to firearms and is now much more reasonable. I wrote about it in my July 2007 Newsletter.

*Next, please double check your address to make certain it is current on all sites where you might order something. It will save a lot of trouble and anxiety. I am thinking of Ebay, Gunbroker Paypal and Auction Arms in particular. And, while I am on the subject, I try to keep my prices as low as I can, but, not surprisingly, one of my greatest expenses is advertising, so, if you order directly from my website - www.cornellpubs.com - and not through the auction sites, you will save me a bunch of money that I can reinvest in new, old catalogs for you!

Abby

Hint- If you are using the browser Firefox and have trouble seeing any images on this website, try hitting the refresh button. Meanwhile I will continue trying to figure out how to make my website more compatible with Firefox

New Books and Special thanks (see the bottom of this letter for the complete alpha list without accompanying text):

Ken Davis must have spent a lot of time in the woods. His library about trapping has certainly swelled our flyer: American Trapper's Manual 1965-66, How to Trap (Decker) 1935, Floyd's Sporting Goods (Trapping) 1971, Trapper's Companion 1946, Trapper's Partner c1960. Al Carleton some time ago sent us a very nice Crosby Frisian Fur Co. 1927-8 that I lump with the trapping books. We were lucky to have help on the Browning front. Mark Foster loaned a copy of the Browning 1962 Armory Guide, Rudi Prusok found a Browning c1935 .22 Auto Rifle Manual (in German), and the more "modern" catalogs were boosted by Tom Seefeldt Browning 1979 and Al Carleton Browning 1969.

Dick Carleton sent in an older copy of the Woodsman's manual than the one I have- Colt c1927 Woodsman Manual with it he included a Colt 1927 Catalog a Colt 1933 Catalog and a Colt 1935 Catalog. Colts were cantering this month when Mike Carrick sent over two parts catalogs: Colt 1960 Component Parts Catalog and a Colt 1962 Component Parts Catalog. Not done yet, Tom Seefeldt sent a Colt 1974 Catalog and Rudi a Colt 1978 SAA Revolver Manual!

The Marlin line was filled out when Michael Schub sent in a Marlin 1900 Gun Catalog and the Marlin 1907 Gun Catalog arrived from Doug Elliott. Bill Hoffman sent in a Richland Arms (Blissfield, MI) 1974 Gun Catalog. Jim Hughes sent us a rare Flaig Bros Guns c1937 Pittsburg, PA.

Ammunition folks will be interested by Jim Buchanan's Experiments With Percussion Caps 1891, the Herter's 1955 Gun Accessory Catalog- Waseca, Minnesota from Al Carleton is a classic and gunsmith types will appreciate the Mittermeier, Frank Gunsmith Tools 1964 from Bill Hoffman and Roth Ammunition (Austria) 1927 from Lon Berg .

I made an effort to clear up a bunch of catalogs sitting on my desk for more than a year. Here they are: Bannerman, Francis & Sons 1925, Colt 1914 Catalog and Manual, and a whole box of mass merchant catalogs I bought because of their gun offerings. They included Dunham, Carrigan & Hayden, San Francisco c1950, First Nat'l Co-Op Society, Chicago 1904 Gun & Sport Catalog, George, E.M. Firearms Company, Louisville, KY 1978-79, House-Hasson Hardware Co, Knoxville-Chattanooga 1954, Isaac Walker Hardware, Peoria, Il. 1936, and Savage, M.W. Co. New York 1922-23. The Montgomery Ward and Sears catalogs I offer here are just the firearms sections (plus fishing if they had one) Montgomery Ward Guns 1921, Montgomery Ward 1920 Gun Parts Catalog, Montgomery Ward Guns 1929-30, Montgomery Ward Guns 1936, Montgomery Ward Guns 1953, Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1901, Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1926, Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1928, Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1937, Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1948

I bought a better copy of the Ithaca 1947 Gun Catalog and found a nice Ithaca 1960-62 Parts Catalog, also a Lyman 1923 No 12 to go with Ron Jones Lyman 1977 Gun Sight and Accessory Catalog. I also located my M1911 and 1911A1 .45 cal Auto Service Manual c1960 to go with Al Carleton's M-14, M-I National Match Specs, 1963 Camp Perry. The National Arms 1865 Gun Catalog is one of the earliest I reprint.

Greg Kirkman loaned me a Golden State Collector Arms 1958 but I could not copy it due to the tight binding. I was so interested in the wide variety of arms it covered that I was able to buy one I took apart and copied that way... (sometimes the gutter or center of the publication is so deep it swallows text and illustrations and even with my book scanner I cannot get good images. If I can cut the binding off and run the whole thing through my duplexing scanner it is a lot easier.)

So there you have it... over 50 new, old catalogs!

By the way, not all our indexes are alphabetized and can be difficult to search. Until I figure out how to alphabetize them, hit the Control key (on the lower left) and the letter "F" on your keyboard. this will give you a search box on the bottom of the screen. Start to type in the name of what you want to find on that page and it should be highlighted on the screen (this works with most browsers). :-) Abby

For those of you who helped Berta Lledo, the archeologist who is part of the team salvaging the old Turkish naval ship Ertuğrul that sank off Kushimoto, Japan a hundred twenty years ago, and contacted her directly... thank you!

Dear Abby, I did download the files [I sent her some catalog reprints I felt she could use to identify things] and they are very good. They will be a fantastic help for me to classify and understand a lot of the material we recover from the ship. After taking a quick look, I already think that something I had classified as lead pipes are actually part of ammunition from one of the large guns.  I will work more in detail soon. I will send you updates in our work. Berta Lledo

Dear Mrs Lledo: I suggested, via Abby, that the Winchesters found in your ship might  be Model 1866. I was away from home, but now that I have returned home I can tell you the following:

November 9, 1870, The government of Turkey ordered from Winchester Arms Company, 5,000 Model 1866 Carbines and 15,000 Model 1866 Muskets. August 19, 1871, an additional 30,000 Winchester Model 1866 muskets were ordered. The caliber was .44 rimfire. I can send you dimensions of the cartridge, if you want.

The model 1866 has a brass frame receiver. The model 1873 is all steel. I see in some of your photos the brass frame receiver of the Model 1866.

If you would like, I could mail to you photocopies of the Contracts of  1870 and 1871 as well as photographs of the carbines and muskets. I also have photos of the Martini Henry rifles your government ordered.

I will put you in contact with a friend who can identify the Krupp and Armstrong guns and other heavy ordnance. Send photos or measurements to his email address. The information about the Turkish purchase of the Winchesters as well as copies of the contracts is contained in the following book:  The First Winchester, author is John E. Parsons. publisher William Morrow and  Company, New York, 1955. Mike Carrick

Dear Mme Lledo, You are lucky to do such interesting work. Could the crescent artifact be a Gorget? It was worn around the neck (the French word: gorge) by military police and by marines. The word gadget is a deformation of gorget. You see gorgets on medieval knights and on WWII German soldiers. Just a guess. Bonne  chance, Jean-Charles Godreau, Quebec

Letters from Readers:

WHATZIT???

Image 1Dear Abby,
The photos are of the rifle Ì want to know about. I found it in my neighbour's cellar in France when I was young (around 1955). I brought it here to Canada when I moved in Quebec city. The owner was old enough to have served in the French-German war of 1870. I suppose it is a German war rifle but.. what else?

Basic Information :
I sent you  photos but the full length photo doesn't reflect well the length of the rifle. It's a 54 1/2 inches   over all length and a 2 cm (around 3/4 inch) bore. The barrel seem to have been forged in one piece.

All the barrel slide in the long wooded part of the stock to be able to introduce the cartridge Image 3. You can take off the barrel by un-clicking the 3 rings and sliding them around the barrel and the upper part of the stock. It is a central percutor (center fire?) gun which is armed by a side lever. On the stock you can see DKM, may be Deutch Krieg Manufacturer? There is a little notch at the end of the barrel to install a bayonet. I sent you photos with close-up on parts. Thanks for any information on this.

Thank's, Patrice Roy, Quebec - Canada

DownLoad PDF file with more photos of the mystery rifle

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Abby,
I am looking for a manual for the old 1928-32 original Walther .22 cal target pistol called the Hammerless .22 pistol, made for the 1932 Olympics in Los Angeles, it predated the Olympia model made for the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. The Germans used these pistols to win all the .22 caliber pistol medals. If you find either of the 2 manuals, Hammerless .22 or the 1936 Olympia manuals...I am looking for both...they are probably rare to find in any condition. You can Google both pistols...there was only one model of the 1928-32 model, but there are 4-5 models of the 1936 pistol, and it came with a set of weights you can screw onto the frame. Your readers will be very familiar with both the 1928 and 1936 models of the Walther .22 cal target pistols, perhaps one can loan you the manuals for one or both... Dave Litchfield

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Hi Abby,
Received the Browning Model 1906 catalog today and I am very happy. Though you may want to redesign the cover - even though inside the manual the 1905/1906 (some confusion exists about the designation) is referred to as the "The Browning Baby Pistol", this was only a nickname at the time of publication, and the Browning Baby would later become the official designation of the 1905/1906's replacement (released some 50 years later).
 
Even though similar, the information inside this manual won't apply to the Browning Baby. The inset photograph is correct, but the main cover picture is the model "Baby". I would suggest changing the cover to "Browning Automatic Pistol 1906 (Vest Pocket)" and removing any reference to "Baby" from the cover, including the current photograph, to avoid any confusion that may arise in future. The "Vest Pocket" is the name the 1906 is best known by, though it was also manufactured under license in the United States as the "Colt 1908 (Vest Pocket)". Owners of Colt 1908's could use this manual, and you could double list it under Colt too if you didn't already have one.
 
Very impressed and very satisfied! I will certainly tell my friends about Cornell Publications. James Cole (I fixed it- thanks James! Abby)

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Hi, Abby:
While looking through the October newsletter I received this morning I noticed the mention of serial numbers. I am not a gun collector but became the owner of a Winchester Model 50 12 gauge after a relative passed away. Curious, I set about trying to find out something about the gun. I found this web site, typed in the serial number under Winchester, and found the year the gun was manufactured. I suppose there is a good chance that you are aware of this site, but here is the link. There are other manufacturers listed and I was pleased to find the information I was seeking.
Joe Stephens 
http://armscollectors.com/sn/winlookup.php

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Jean-Charles Godreau asks:
"I have an old percussion large bore musket found under barn near 1837 battle between republicans (patriots) and lower Canada militia. On the barrel in bold letters REPUBLIC RC.this place is a mile from the Vermont border. Any ideas? I am also interested in a modified Brown Bess with H 66 on barrel and City of New York on butt plate.This part of Québec settled by loyalist driven out of U.S.A. Could this be provincial British militia? Merci beaucoup.Jean-Charles"

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Abby,
Are there any books or pamphlets that tell which parts are interchangeable between the Winchester 1866 through 1886 Rifles? Thank You, Larry Marsh
Readers??? Abby

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How the Shotgun dispatched the Snake:
Dear Abby,
For a New Yorker, living in Kentucky is very interesting. A woman recently brought me her single barrel shotgun along with a quite a story. Apparently she had startled a “rattler” while hunting in the woods and it had attacked her. After shooting at the snake and missing she exercised her remaining option and bludgeoned it to death… with her gun. The gun did not benefit from this treatment. The steel tang where the hammer goes and which normally fits snugly inside the buttstock was badly bent, cracked and broken in four places.

Image of the TangAfter I started the repair work by brazing the cracks and breaks I realized that this was going to be one of those jobs that would push my talents beyond what I expected. It was not until I had re-blued the piece that I could see the tang was still off a few degrees making the gun look like one of those “left hand guns” with a bent stock you see in old British gun catalogs. I figure my lady hunter would not warm to this innovation so I am going to have to employ my blacksmith talents to strengthen the welds and finish bending the steel back to where it should be when it attaches to the stock.

The rear of the tang broke across the threaded hole for the stock bolt and this will require adjustments to the steel and stock alike. I may have to weld/braze the hole to fill it and then drill and re-tap for the screw. Once I am satisfied the work is right, I will re-blue the gun, replace the parts and attach the buttstock. When done, a shattered gun will be saved. I don't plan to charge extra for the additional work. I don’t like snakes one little bit, but sometimes they do help pay the bills!
Budd G

Budd Gardstein is a New York City gunsmith now living in Kentucky. You can get in touch with Budd at his website http://www.buddsgunsmith.com/. The above picture shows the tang Budd is working on.

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Ever wonder who first purchased your gun or rifle or wished you had a certificate of origin? It could increase the value of your gun!

Allan Lane , or Jim Bannon or some other celebrity may have been the original buyer. Perhaps the provenance would increase the value of your favorite fowling piece or rifle. Well, now you have a chance to find out for free if the gun was sold by VonLengerke & Detmold or Abercrombie & Fitch, two of the largest and most prestigious gun houses of the 20th century.

If you own a gun by one of dozens of manufacturers write down the serial number and compare it to the serial numbers at the G&H website:

or Contact:
Robert C. Beach, Records Research
Griffin & Howe, Inc.
33 Claremont Road
Bernardsville, NJ 07924
908-766-2287
Email: research@griffinhowe.com
Website: www.griffinhowe.com
(scroll down to see all the makes when you get there)

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Serial Numbers that give dates:

John Spangler & Marc Wade operate ArmsCollectors.com!
They offer pages and pages of Serial Numbers to put a year to the following weapons:

| Marlin | Mauser Broomhandle (C-96) | Remington | U.S. Military | Winchester |

| Gun Marks | House Brands | U.S. Inspectors | WWII German Codes And Markings |

also at this great website is a list of handguns and rifles with known serial numbers that qualify as antique,

or: Antique Serial Numbers for lots of Makers

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Original Publications for sale (Box three available):

This fall I promise to unload some of the twenty or thirty boxes of originals blocking the second bay of my garage! I decided to put up pages on the website (one page per box of about 70 catalogs each) with a list of catalogs priced at what I paid for them or in many cases much less. Here is the link: Original Catalog for Sale if you would like prior notice of the sales, please sign up for the announcement newsletter. The hundred and thirty or so people who already signed up knew about this sale last week and some of the best bargains are already gone. To register for the special newsletter, send an email to the following address and put the word REGISTER in the subject line: eightbore@comcast.net. Many thanks to all of you who signed up! IF YOU HAVE ALREADY REGISTERED THERE IS NO NEED TO DO SO AGAIN.

Rants & Raves Image

 

This month's winner is:

Hi, can i get an image of the hunting knives? thanks.

Sure, the catalog is $12.95 and $3.75 shipping. Abby

Ha!, with a sarcastic greedy answer like that, i wouldn't give you a dime for a dollar! if it does not have what i need i wouldn't buy any...if it did have what i needed i would have bought 6 of'em!...i'll be sure to ignore all of your auctions in the future! -danny robinson- South Carolina

This knife dealer was the rudest, most spiteful and vile individual yet to grace this column. In fact, some of his comments were so personal and nasty I didn't even post them on the website, but for more, go to: RAVES and RANTS

Old Newsletters are available online:

If you missed a newsletter or want to look up an old one, please go to my website www.cornellpubs.com and look on the top of the first page for a link to old newsletters. You may view them online and in color with pictures. Also, on the subject of newsletters, I send out the newsletter in both HTML and plain text format. This means that if your browser is not set up to view pictures and colors, you automatically get the plain text version. I hope this explains why some of you don't see the pictures referred to in the letters- I know it has caused some confusion. Also, you should upgrade to the latest version of your browser for best results. To learn which version of you have, click the help button on the top line of this page and then look for the link that says "About [browser]".

INDEXES for Every Catalog...

Every catalog we offer has an index at the bottom of the page or in the case of new listings on the right. Listings on Ebay, Gunbroker and Auction Arms as well as our website have indexes (I appreciate purchases at the website where we don't have to pay listing fees or sales commissions... shipping is cheaper for you as well!)

Must Read:

If you haven't yet done so, please read the About Us link on the website. It explains a lot of things such as why graphics vary in books, why I do this in the first place, errors and mistakes, guarantees, loans and more. Also, if you see something in the Coming Soon page you want, let me know and I'll move it up the list for you.

Cheers,
Abby

October Catalogs:

American Trapper's Manual 1965-66

Bannerman, Francis & Sons 1925

Browning 1969

Browning 1979

Browning 1962 Armory Guide

Browning c1935 .22 Auto Rifle Manual (in German)

Colt 1914 Catalog and Manual

Colt 1927 Catalog

Colt 1933 Catalog

Colt 1935 Catalog

Colt 1960 Component Parts Catalog

Colt 1962 Component Parts Catalog

Colt 1974 Catalog

Colt 1978 SAA Revolver Manual

Colt c1927 Woodsman Manual

Crosby Frisian Fur Co. 1927-8

Experiments With Percussion Caps 1891

Dunham, Carrigan & Hayden, San Francisco c1950

First Nat'l Co-Op Society, Chicago 1904 Gun & Sport Catalog

Flaig Bros Guns c1937 Pittsburg, PA

Floyd's Sporting Goods (Trapping) 1971

George, E.M. Firearms Company, Louisville, KY 1978-79

Golden State Collector Arms 1958

Herter's 1955 Gun Accessory Catalog- Waseca, Minnesota

House-Hasson Hardware Co, Knoxville-Chattanooga 1954

How to Trap (Decker) 1935

Isaac Walker Hardware, Peoria, Il. 1936

Ithaca 1947 Gun Catalog

Ithaca 1960-62 Parts Catalog

Lyman 1923 No 12

Lyman 1977 Gun Sight and Accessory Catalog

M-14, M-I National Match Specs, 1963 Camp Perry

M1911 and 1911A1 .45 cal Auto Service Manual

Marlin 1900 Gun Catalog

Marlin 1907 Gun Catalog

Mittermeier, Frank Gunsmith Tools 1964

Montgomery Ward Guns 1921

Montgomery Ward 1920 Gun Parts Catalog

Montgomery Ward Guns 1929-30

Montgomery Ward Guns 1936

Montgomery Ward Guns 1953

National Arms 1865 Gun Catalog

Professional Beaver Trapping c1940

Richland Arms (Blissfield, MI) 1974 Gun Catalog

Roth Ammunition (Austria) 1927

Savage, M.W. Co. New York 1922-23

Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1901

Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1926

Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1928

Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1937

Sears Roebuck (Gun Section) 1948

Trapper's Companion 1946

Trapper's Partner c1960

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